If you sleep fine at night Fury Your really not worth the disscusion we are having.

Have a great day! .. Now onto something more important like swatting flies

In regards to the following comments:

“It was very clear that you were looking for ways to justify keeping the money.”
-That’s a big assumption. But that’s really all it is, and it seems it’s not the first wrong assumption you’ve made. You don’t know what went on on our end, and completely dismiss the concerns Fury had. I understand you want to support your friend, I really do, but maybe it’s time to face the facts and realize there was no wrongdoing on Fury’s part. Her concerns were valid, and Yohan wasn’t exactly forthcoming in what exactly his mistake was. Notice how his initial notecard and IM make no mention of a malfunctioning land bot? I wonder why that is.
There are too many key clicks required to ever “accidently” buy land. The land bot explains it, but she was never informed of this, so she was concerned about a possible scam.

“If you had any intention of refunding the full amount like you say above, you would have done so right away the moment he told you he had made a mistake”
-If she had been convinced it really was a mistake. Again, you conveniently ignore Fury’s concerns about a possible scammer. You can’t expect anyone to take a stranger’s word when this amount of money is concerned.

So yes, I do think a “thank you” would have been nice. And I do think the entire tone of this post and the subsequent responses are in very, very poor taste.

Fury I am very grateful that you gave him back a lot of his error , but you can’t expect me to speak as if your a saint.

“When your in a hole stop digging”

Now that I see Aenea’s remarks I get a clearer idea of what happened.

Please acknowledge that Fury apparently did reimburse what she believed to be the excess paid over market value, keeping 5k extra.

Still, the moral issue remains pretty much the same despite this knowledge.

Also, I don’t know Blu at all so no comment on her post.

Be careful with that debug mode.

The frustration with Landbot users from those who don’t use them (the vast majority, as there appear to be fewer than 10 landbot users) is that the landbots manage to get all the best deals – no one else even has a chance to find a nice bargain in an out of the way place, because of them. This strikes people as greedy. It makes people feel less bad about being greedy *at the landbot user’s expense* (rather than greedy in general). Now, it’s a completely different kind of greed (taking all the bargains, rather than keeping money from mistakes) and the fact that you never exhibit the latter form of greed certainly argues in your favor that you aren’t succumbed to this vice in a general way.

However, try to recognize how it looks from the view of many who just want to buy a single plot of land, are willing to spend weeks searching for just the right one at a good price – and if landbots didn’t exist, they’d have a chance. But due to the landbots being able to search at a rate not possible for humans, 24 hours a day, any bargain will be got by landbots, not by the people looking. So you’ve taken something from them that – wasn’t theirs by right – but that they value, and that without what they view as your greed, they would have. You’ve made the playing field no longer level.

As someone above mentioned, “you’re Walmart.” Think of how local businesses feel when Walmart comes in – they go out of business in a lot of cases. What Walmart does is legal, and in some views perfectly ethical as well. But many local businesses simply can’t compete. And if they did manage to get lucky and make a couple hundred thousand legally, by a mistake that they probably should return – say a Walmart computer was programmed to buy things at a given price and someone entered the zeroes wrong, and Walmart ordered and paid for 50 items at $5000 each instead of 5,000 items at $50 each; they just might not feel as obligated.

No, I don’t think Fury is a greedy person. She’s not super generous either, definitely not when she’s ticked off. As you said, she’s an ok person. She’s kind of vengeful, though. Anger is her key fault much more than greed. Which you should keep in mind – when she says she should have kept the money, that’s because she’s angry at you, not because she’s greedy. I love her dearly. I’m sure I could be friends with you as well. (especially since you’re a programmer like me) You don’t have great insight into relative strangers and their motivations, but that’s not a common gift anyway. I have learned it’s better to refrain from speculation (but I do it anyway).

Anyway.

Messing with Fury’s moral compass, here’s at least my interpretation of that, knowing her as I do.

She needs the money badly. Your mistake tempted her to keep it. She had to make some kind of huge effort to even partly be willing to refund it, when it would be so easy to keep it and she strongly suspects she needs it far more than you do.

It’s not so much her time spent, as all the self recrimination she might have, when she sits around wondering how she’s going to pay for the next thing that comes up, why she gave back money that dropped into her lap.

I mean, I can’t be sure, but I don’t think she would’ve given up so much of her land if she could afford to have kept paying the tier on it. She used to own quite a bit more.

I also think there’s some kind of issue here with your willingness to name names when someone doesn’t live up to your standard, versus not bothering to list the names of the people who did refund your (much smaller, hence much less tempting to do the wrong thing) mistakes. Why not give credit, when you’re going to give blame?

However, you do get credit for your even handed recitation of fact, rather than flaming like some would I think it would have been best all round though not to name names at all, you could have omitted the name from the post altogether and still shared the same feelings/information.

Keep in mind that in your land baron business, returning mistakes is a requirement of ordinary ethics; in an individual’s life who isn’t in that business, it’s a separate decision on the merits. It’s not the same thing, you falsely equate the two at your own peril. It is both easier (especially for a person to whom the amount of money is trivial) and more difficult (in cases of larger amounts).

Think of it this way (metaphor/analogy warning!). If you found people’s wallets every day, usually with a few dollars or a couple hundred, but occasionally with a thousand or two, and were in the habit of always returning them, then it becomes part of your every day behavior; even if you’re returning three or four thousand dollars’ worth every week. But if you never found one, and then found one with ten thousand in it, you’d have a much harder decision. If ten thousand was six months’ salary for you and you’d been out of work for a year, it’d be even tougher.

That’s the “moral compass” idea if that helps you understand it?

1. The only thing I feel embarrassed or guilty about after all this is not keeping the full 300k.

2. At no time during my conversation with you or Yohan did either of you explain the bot malfunction thing. All I got was some bit about a “boo boo”. From where I stood it seemed like a clear case of buyer’s remorse or, at worse, a scam. If Yohan had explained to me the whole situation then, I would have refunded the entire amount on the spot.

3. Mine is the only name he has posted. If he was so grateful about the other four why not post their names, too?

While you’re publishing the content of our IM, why not post the part where you said I was a “good person” right after I copied to you the exact terms of my refund to Yohan? You seemed to think it was perfectly reasonable then.