Today I was working on some improvements to the Bots and I messed up. One of the parameters you send to search is the sort order, for those using the viewer this is automatically set. Those of us running landbots have to set this specifically, well I reversed the flag so instead of getting the lowest parcels listed for sale I got the most expensive ones and since the bots calculate their buy rates based initially on the average price of the results returned so as you can imagine if you’ve ever looked at search this set my initial buy rate to about 75L/per sq.m and within about 1/2 second my bot had spent L$356,000 on 5 parcels including a 4096 sq.m parcel for L$300,000. Yes folks thats 73.2L per sq.m for a 4096. I of course immediately kicked myself for forgetting to turn on the debug mode during testing and began contacting the people I purchased the 5 parcels from. All went smoothly until I got in contact with the last and largest mistake. Before I go into the details of that, you should know that because of a few unscrupulous individuals that run landbots we are often all grouped into the ‘evil’ category. I can’t speak for others, but The Super Babenco Brothers have a clean record when it comes to returning mistakes and we even go as far as contacting people when a mistake is obvious instead of waiting for them to contact us. We have never charged for a return or made a single linden on anyone’s mistake.
So I sent an IM and followed it up with a notecard,
The IM:
[2007/12/26 14:17] Yohan Pintens: Hi Fury, I just made a huge mistake and bought a parcel of land from you for 300K, I am wondering if you would be kind enough to undo it.
The Notecard:
Hi Fury, I was screwing around and purchased your parcel of land in Mantle/231/193 for L$300,000. I totally messed up and did not mean to purchase it. I am hoping you will be kind enough to assist me in undoing my blunder. I've marked the parcel back for sale to you for the price I paid. Please let me know Yohan Pintens, Super Babenco Brothers
About 4 hours later I saw my notecard was accepted, so I sent another IM in hopes of some resolution, the discussion is as follows (unedited)
[18:24] Yohan Pintens: Hi Fury, I made a big booboo[18:28] Fury Harbinger: Look, Yohan, fact is it's nearly impossible to "accidentally" buy land with all the crap you have to do to make the purchase. I'll tell you what I will do. I will give you back half and give you the name of someone who will buy the land from you gauranteed, though probably not for 150K. Still at least you won't be out the full 300K. Deal? [18:30] Yohan Pintens: I said I made a mistake, I can understand a small fee for maybe your time, but we're talking about 1000 US dollars here. [18:31] Yohan Pintens: I'd be happy to pay fair market value for the land as it was my mistake, but anything more than that just doesn't seem right to me. [18:42] Yohan Pintens: Fury? Is 1/2 of my mistake all you're going to do? [19:12] Fury Harbinger: Ok. I'll refund 230K. [19:13] Fury Harbinger: 65K=15L per sqm (fmv) plus a penalty for tampering with my moral compass. [19:13] Fury Harbinger: And you still get to resell the land so you'll recoup some of that anyway. [19:14] Yohan Pintens: ok, well we both know its between us and the lindens won't do anything about it, so I'll take what I can get. [19:14] Fury Harbinger: OK. [19:14] Fury Harbinger: Hang on. (she sends me the L$230,000) [19:18] Fury Harbinger: Merry Christmas.
Well, she’s right when she says its nearly impossible to accidentally buy land, however as you can tell from the numerous comments in the directory mistakes DO happen — probably due in part to being human. I personally have never profited from other peoples mistakes so I’m just going to have to disagree with any justification she comes up with for taking financial advantage of a situation. As far as 15L/sq.m being fair market value I’m pretty certain you wouldn’t be able to find anyone who would agree with that, as of now for this parcel of land 10L/sq.m would be on the high retail side. The “penalty for tampering with her moral compass” I really have no clue about, during this ordeal I told a good friend of the situation who in turn had a conversation with Fury, but not sure what her definition of ‘moral’ is considering the outcome.
So in the end, I have a parcel of land worth about L$40K, she gave me back L$230K so I am out about L$30K (or approx $100 US) but it could have been worse, as over $1000 US was at stake. Thankfully 4 out of the 5 people that I bought land by mistake from unquestionably did the right thing. So I guess 4 out of 5 ain’t bad.
So with each experience there are lessons learned:
- Not just evil landbots take advantage of mistakes.
- Always pay attention to what you (or your bots) are doing!
- Its good to have great friends that will stick up for what is right.
You basically remove someone’s land from the market by your own error and they’re not suppose to ‘profit’ from your mistake? Instead they’re suppose to suck it up at deal with their time that YOU threw away for them?
You’re a business person. You should account for your mistakes in your business model.
In RL if you ‘accidently’ purchased someone’s land for more than you thought it was worth you’d have no recourse…nor should you have recourse.
If you’re going to set up landbots and profit from not having to manage each purchase personally then you need to suck it up and deal with your own mistakes…not expect everyone else in SL to backup your errors.
I’d personally be pissed as hell if a landbot ‘accidently’ bought my land even for way more than it was worth then had the owner want ME to undo it for them. You were a bother to a complete stranger then asked them for a favor.
@Zulieca:
It took you more time to write that post than it would have for her to buy the parcel back and remark it for sale.
I can 100% guarantee you that she did not lose out on any possibility of a sale while I held the land.
IN RL actually you have a 3 day right to recision, but this isn’t RL.
Its obvious from your comment you did not take the time to read the post
Its a good thing more people don’t think like you, otherwise the hundred or so mistakes I’ve personally returned to people might have been one way to ‘account for mistakes’ in my business model.
Hello all,
I defend Fury 100% on this and Yohan Pintens you got it good with Fury doing a moral compass on this due to this
was NO accident….Read before ya buy or sell Yohan Pintens.
Thank you,
Buttercup Kent
@Buttercup:
I fully expect all of Fury’s friends to come post comments supporting her actions, but if you’re going to do so, then consider reading my actual post so you have somewhat of a clue as to what you’re commenting on.
ac·ci·dent (ks-dnt, -dnt)
n.
1.
a. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.
b. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.
c. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one’s clothing.
2. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.
I didn’t piss myself, but all others apply.
Accidents do happen. It’s sad that there are people so eager to take advantage of another persons error like that. What the “moral compass” boils down to is, “Does my greed outweigh my willingness to be kind to another person who made a simple mistake.” I guess this way an in between. It could have been a lot worse, but in the end she made out with 70,000L on a parcel thats worth approx $35,000L in the current market. So she was paid very well for the 60 seconds it takes to reset a parcel. So yea it could have been a lot worse and she could have taken even more advantage. Still a bit sad that someone would so willingly take advantage of another persons error like that.
I asked around with several non-landbot-using land dealers for the going rate per sqm and went with the high number and advised Fury to pay the remaining amount back.
You should count your lucky stars that she’s a good person, a lesser person would not have.
She got a good price for her land, you got most of your money back and the option to sell the land again. So instead of badmouthing a good person, start doing your own work instead of relying on bots.
In one fell swoop you’ve made a liar of your friend and an ass of yourself. I should have kept the 300k.
Furthermore, the 35K Sarah mentioned is barely above her 7.6psqm no questions asked, price. That’s what a land dealer would pay, not a resale price.
There are plenty of examples of land being priced at 15psqm or more, for example on http://www.slestates.net.
@Aenea:
A Good person does not take advantage of other peoples mistakes.
And I am grateful she was only able to steal $100 US instead of $1000.
As far as that slestates link you so graciously provided, I suggest you maybe visit those parcels.
CP Costello(The largest mainland dealer in second life) Has his parcels priced across the board at 10.75L/sq.m, cH Fassbinder who is the third largest is at 10.45L/sq.m. And thats not pulled off some outdated list.
So now she’s a thief? She’s a saint for returning most of your money. You offered to pay market value. Market value is not whatever you land bot users decide it to be.
It was your mistake, not hers. You should be thanking her instead of badmouthing her.
@Fury:
That pretty much sums it up doesn’t it?
The 35, 000L on a 4096 a meter I stated worked out to 8.5L a meter, the average going rate for green mainland not a dealer buy price. At current market my sell price on spectacular waterfront in perfect areas no ads, in a high demand area is 9.6 to 10.4L a meter. This parcel was not a waterfront. The price list you use as an example is just a small hand full of top end sellers. You should look at the in world listings for an honest average. But going rate is rather silly to argue here. I also think Yohan was very lucky she was only a bit greedy and didn’t totally screw like I got the feeling she was leaning towards. A “good” person wouldn’t feel right taking advantage of another persons error if it was 100 dollars or 1000. So end result, she could have taken him for 300K, she was “good” enough only take him for 70K on a parcel thats worth 35K or on a very very very good day 40K and he’s out a bit over 100usd for his mistake. And she is up 100. I don’t feel she was bad mouthed on the blog, It seems very straight forward and just facts. I also don’t under stand the upset from her friends. You can’t really call that a “good” person. A good person would have given back the error without thinking twice. At best you can say she’s a “ok” person because she didn’t fuck him over at the level she could have.
Not to get off topic, but publishing the chat log is against TOS.
@Shoshana:
That only applies to the Linden Forums or in-world, it falls under ‘disclosure’ in the abuse reporting system, however that rule does not apply to third party blogs, websites, email, etc.
LOL This is hilarious. I go on vacation to come to my kid getting in trouble. In case you didnt know, everything Fury has learned, She learned it from her Mommah
She was kind enough to give you HALF of the mistake and if I had anything to do with it, I wouldnt have let her give you the whole thing back. If you had THAT much of an issue with it, you should have contacted a Linden, and they would have told you to go QQ elsewhere. Do not flame my kid for being so kind for fixing your fucking mistake. My child did not fuck anyone over. YOU MADE A MISTAKE JACKASS 
She was kind enough to give you HALF of it. You got it back now STFU and quit smearing my kids name, or I will deal with you personally, thats not a threat, thats a promise 
Tata!
- The Infamous Blu Caligari – Mother of Fury * Aenea!
Opinions on land bots and speculation about land prices aside, it was Yohan’s own suggestion to pay market value for the land. He just didn’t get to decide what market value was. To then go and smear her name and taunting her with links to it just shows pathetically bad taste.
So I take it by your inability to speak English your her fake SL “Mommah” and not a real mother. So she learned it from you eh? Do you also teach your fake children to pick pocket and rape baby’s? And how is anyone smearing your ‘kid”. This blog did nothing but state the facts. If your ‘kid” is worried about her true actions being posted, maybe she should reconsider her behavior towards others.
Again all this blog posted was exact actions. If she angry about that the only one you can be angry at is herself.
Again to Aerea, where was she smeared? It only states exact facts.
The really immature part is you posting your IMs with her HERE in public.
I personally wouldn’t communicate with you on business in an IM and would advise that no one else does either.
You can’t keep a private business converation to yourself then you’re simply a crappy business person and shouldn’t be delt with.
I can totally understand that all of you feel the need to stand up for your friend, or fake family to make her feel better and to keep in good terms with her. I hope that in reality your all not the type of people who really feel that it acceptable to take advantage of other peoples mistakes.
Sarah, the greed shown here is by people that buy up land using landbots then whine when they’ve made a stupid ass mistake. NO ONE has any obligation to return this idiots money.
That he’s such a cry baby that he has to bring it into the public is rather pathetic. It’s equally pathetic that anyone would stick up for him.
@All:
I’ve allowed all comments through the moderation queue to allow Fury and her “family” to share their opinions, however If people continue to get personal or more personal with comments (this includes idle threats Blu) I will simply not allow them to be shared.
If the facts are different from how I have stated them, please feel free to comment with how you feel I have misstated my encounter (this invitation is really only for Fury since really it was between her and I).
Pathetic is someone so greedy that they would take advantage of another persons error. How can you defend that?
Someone that snatches up the cheapest land using bots, thereby depriving people that buy them in person is NOT greedy?
So one greedy person wasn’t careful with his automated purchasing. Fury gave him back quite a bit but because it wasn’t on Yohan’s terms then SHE is the greedy one?
Your logic baffles me completely.
When you’re relying on another person to correct your mistake you really need to be happy with ANYTHING you get.
@Zulieca:
If she is so embarrassed by her actions being made public maybe she will reconsider her actions next time. She still has the opportunity to do the right thing and if she does so I’ll be glad to post that information here as well. Although considering her and her “family’s” attitude thus far I’m not holding my breath.
I’m a friend… not SL ‘family’.
That’s beside the point entirely.
And I never used the word “embarassed” so don’t put words in my mouth. I just think it’s incredibly unprofessional of you, as a business person, to air your screw-ups publicly.
YOU say it’s the right thing but you don’t get to set the requirements for someone ELSE to correct your mistake.
She corrected to the point SHE decided to…it was her decision to do so and NOT yours.
Again, when you rely on someone else to fix your mistakes then you really shouldn’t be here bitching about it.
@Sarah
“Again to Aerea, where was she smeared? It only states exact facts.”
The whole tone of the original post suggests wrongdoing on Fury’s part. She’s portrayed by Yohan and by you as someone who is “eager to take advantage of another persons error”. No matter how much you believe that to be true, it’s an opinion and not a fact.
Then there’s also the “stealing” comment, which is also not a fact, but the opinion of someone who doesn’t like the deal he got.
Don’t confuse facts with opinions. I know people do it a lot.
And 8.5psqm is a dealer sell price. You buy and sell in bulk. You’re Wall-Mart.
From your own article; “Can’t Fix Stupid”
” On occasion we do pick up a gem which makes dealing with the mistakes and the garbage worthwhile.”
You made a mistake, you got mostly reimbursed for it. Take your own wise words and and find “dealing with the mistake” worthwhile.
So with that logic, you feel that because he is a bot runner, you feel that it’s totally acceptable for him to be taken advantage of. You see absolutely no wrong in someone taking advantage of another persons error if the person falls into a certain category. Were never going to agree here. So take away all opinion and leave only the facts….
Yohan made a mistake in Fury’s favor. Fury had the ability to keep all of the money mistakenly paid to her. She gave him back a portion of the error, but kept a nice sum for herself. Yohan posted his experience in his blog. Furys friends all come to post angry responses because Yohan posted there friends actions.
In the end Yohan learned a valuable lesson.
Fury made a killer profit.
I’m sorry but I lost all of my respect for Fury with this line..
Showed in one line that she was a greedy person and money outweighs morals to her.
Sarah, she returned MOST of his money.
And it isn’t up to YOU or to HIM to decide exactly what she should return. You don’t get to be the judge, nothing gives you that right.
As his own words point out there are costs of doing business and mistakes are one of them. He made a mistake and Fury lessened the impact CONSIDERABLY.
His business is such that, by his own admission in the quoted article, it makes it worthwhile.
You seem to want to judge Fury by deciding what is and is not the right amount to refund.
I personally find landbots reprehensible but that’s another discussion entirely. I will uphold anyone’s right to do anything that LL has deemed acceptable.
However it’s a business, and when you make a mistake in business you don’t get to tell everyone else what THEY have to do to make you happy.
No it isn’t and she decided. And it’s not up to you or her to decide what is acceptable for Yohan to post in his blog.
@Sarah
You forget the part where Yohan taunts Fury and sends her links to his blog. Obviously someone had an agenda with his post.
You don’t mention the *fact* that Yohan *offered* to pay market value, and that we did ask around to ascertain current market value, and Fury refunded the remaining amount.
Another *fact* is that you don’t know Fury, and are making an *opinion* based on one quote.
You forget the part where Yohan taunts Fury and sends her links to his blog. Obviously someone had an agenda with his post. How would we ever even end up on a landbot blog otherwise, right?
The right amount to refund is 100%, no more, no less. I don’t base this on what I *might* do, I base it on what I have done over a hundred times. And I am certainly glad Fury’s friends and “family” are a minority in this world.
and as for taunting:
I don’t do things behind peoples back. Its not taunting its giving her an opportunity to share her opinion which she did quite eloquently:
I see so basically YOU and Yohan get to decide what is right and wrong for Fury to have refunded but no one else has the right to say that posting a private conversation is unacceptable?
So Fury realized a 30k profit over what YOHAN thinks the land is worth at 40k.
I wonder if Yohan has never realized that same profit on one of his “gems” that make his “mistakes” worthwhile?
If Yohan realizes more profit than the original owner wants him to have should he refund some of it? I sure don’t think so but I’m sure there are some sellers that would claim if only they’d known how much it was REALLY worth they wouldn’t have sold it so cheap.
I see no difference.
In reality Fury made 90% of his 300K good by leaving him with land HE thinks is worth 40k and giving him 230K back.
I’m not even going to get into a discussion of what the land was ‘worth’ seeing as how Yohan’s valuation is probably considerably different than Fury’s.
And apparently it wasn’t “between them” and he wasn’t going to “take what he can get” as he stated to Fury…since he brought it here and pushed for more.
He made a mistake, he got 90% valuation on his 300K, said it was between them yet brought it to the public apparently deciding he didn’t want to settle for it after all.
I really don’t see an issue. Sorry Yohan, it’s just one of the “mistakes” that are made worthwhile by those “gems” you run across now and then. Fury didn’t make the mistake, you did.
No my opinion was based on a full conversation I had with her and her final actions. My blunt conclusion, shes a greedy bitch, but not as greedy as she could be. I hope she has more compassion for her friends and fake family than she does for the general population. You all should be careful not to forget your purse at her house just in case. She won’t take all of your money, but see will take hefty fee out for the trouble of holding your purse at her house a few hours.
We can argue ethics all night but we won’t anywhere. It’s obvious our views on right and wrong are very different and neither of us will change the minds of the others.
The right amount to refund is not up to you to decide. But that’s besides the point. You were the one that offered to pay market value, so you really have no room to complain on that account.
As for not doing things behind people’s back. I’m pretty sure none of you asked Fury to have private conversations posted on a public blog. You’re hardly forthcoming and open if you inform someone after the fact.
As for Fury’s comment, if you need to use it to justify being an ass, by all means go ahead, but we all know it’s a comment made after you had already smeared her name on your little blog here, naturally she’s a little less than happy with you atm.
Since you seem to be so fond of facts here. These are the simple facts:
You made a mistake, offered Fury to pay market value, we made several informed inquiries as to current land prices, Fury refunded the remaining amount, and you make a post on your blog portraying her as some kind of wrongdoer and thief.
First of all Yohan, just because YOU do something does not make it the “right” thing to do, nor are all cases equal.
Second, you don’t know me and you most certainly don’t know what I might have done nor would your speculation have any inherent accuracy.
Third, what I might have done is utterly irrelivant. The point is that YOU don’t get to decide what everyone else should do to correct YOUR mistakes.
That’s what it all boils down to here. You made a mistake. You ended up, by your own accounting, with 290k of your 300k in L$s and land. How much of the remaining 30k is a ‘reasonable’ profit for Fury is utterly irrelivant as well.
What YOU think is the ‘right’ thing to do is to reverse the transaction. That is not necessarily true. Refunding you all but a reasonable amount and leaving you with the land is completely reasonable.
You just disagree with the ‘reasonable amount’. Unfortunately when YOU made the mistake you gave up the right to decide what is ‘reasonable’. I really don’t see what you got back as unreasonable. It may not have been what I’d have done but that’s not the point in the least.
“I hope she has more compassion for her friends and fake family than she does for the general population. You all should be careful not to forget your purse at her house just in case. She won’t take all of your money, but see will take hefty fee out for the trouble of holding your purse at her house a few hours.”
You REALLY think that this is any kind of a reasonable analogy?
If you want to make the analogy properly then you’d have to have Yohan sending a flunky into her house and leaving 300k on her table and walking out with her 52inch flat screen television.
Then Yohan claim sthe flunky didn’t really mean to leave the money…or take the TV…and can he please exchange them back.
Try at least to pick analogies that work.
I hate to resort to this but Zulieca, Just shut the fuck up. Seriously. I’m not knit picking this all night. You guys have a set of morals and we have a set of morals, they are very different, and we won’t agree no matter how long we go at this. If you think she’s an honest person, and her actions aren’t at all greedy thats great. I don’t and won’t. You have a wonderful new year.
The difference is that we weren’t posting our opinions for all to see Sarah. But it’s interesting to see what the conversation degrades to when logic fails. If you don’t want to nit pick, just don’t. And if you hate to resort to something, heed that feeling, and just don’t. It really doesn’t help your point.
Well I assumed that was the logic you guys listened to when you pulled in the “she learned it from her Mammah” type comments and threats. I’m sorry you guys are upset that Yohan posted his experience and his opinions on his blog. Had I had any strong opinions like this on an experience I had I would have posted it in my blog as well. I’m sure if she had done the stand up thing and returned the error instead of profiting off of the mistake of another and he had posted a blog about how great full he was she did the right thing she wouldn’t be upset right now. Instead she has guilt and anger about her actions being seen by others.
If having her actions posted upsets her so much, maybe she should reconsider the way that she treats people and handles situations. If her name was smeared, the only one responsible for that is her. And she was paid well for her stress.
You know what they say about assumptions, right?
And you know very well it’s not just her actions posted. It’s her actions being falsely represented and interpreted. It’s the obvious accusatory and defamatory comments and opinions being misrepresented as facts that are the issue here.
If you mistake annoyance over this as guilt, well then we’re back to assumptions, and I’ll refer you back to the first paragraphe.
All of your and my opinions aside the facts remain and I’m sure people can make a judgment on there own concerning her character between our bickering.
Only if she’s being represented correctly, and the facts are indeed facts instead of misrepresented and misinformed opinions and assumptions.
Which is why I am setting the record straight.
@Sarah
While you’re publishing the content of our IM, why not post the part where you said I was a “good person” right after I copied to you the exact terms of my refund to Yohan? You seemed to think it was perfectly reasonable then.
@Sarah
1. The only thing I feel embarrassed or guilty about after all this is not keeping the full 300k.
2. At no time during my conversation with you or Yohan did either of you explain the bot malfunction thing. All I got was some bit about a “boo boo”. From where I stood it seemed like a clear case of buyer’s remorse or, at worse, a scam. If Yohan had explained to me the whole situation then, I would have refunded the entire amount on the spot.
3. Mine is the only name he has posted. If he was so grateful about the other four why not post their names, too?
I don’t think you want to email me anyway, but if you do just send an in world IM.
Anyway.
Messing with Fury’s moral compass, here’s at least my interpretation of that, knowing her as I do.
She needs the money badly. Your mistake tempted her to keep it. She had to make some kind of huge effort to even partly be willing to refund it, when it would be so easy to keep it and she strongly suspects she needs it far more than you do.
It’s not so much her time spent, as all the self recrimination she might have, when she sits around wondering how she’s going to pay for the next thing that comes up, why she gave back money that dropped into her lap.
I mean, I can’t be sure, but I don’t think she would’ve given up so much of her land if she could afford to have kept paying the tier on it. She used to own quite a bit more.
I also think there’s some kind of issue here with your willingness to name names when someone doesn’t live up to your standard, versus not bothering to list the names of the people who did refund your (much smaller, hence much less tempting to do the wrong thing) mistakes. Why not give credit, when you’re going to give blame?
However, you do get credit for your even handed recitation of fact, rather than flaming like some would
I think it would have been best all round though not to name names at all, you could have omitted the name from the post altogether and still shared the same feelings/information.
Keep in mind that in your land baron business, returning mistakes is a requirement of ordinary ethics; in an individual’s life who isn’t in that business, it’s a separate decision on the merits. It’s not the same thing, you falsely equate the two at your own peril. It is both easier (especially for a person to whom the amount of money is trivial) and more difficult (in cases of larger amounts).
Think of it this way (metaphor/analogy warning!). If you found people’s wallets every day, usually with a few dollars or a couple hundred, but occasionally with a thousand or two, and were in the habit of always returning them, then it becomes part of your every day behavior; even if you’re returning three or four thousand dollars’ worth every week. But if you never found one, and then found one with ten thousand in it, you’d have a much harder decision. If ten thousand was six months’ salary for you and you’d been out of work for a year, it’d be even tougher.
That’s the “moral compass” idea if that helps you understand it?
Oh, I should say, I’d only read up to comment 5 (because I looked at this last night, then went to sleep, and commented in the morning without reloading).
Now that I see Aenea’s remarks I get a clearer idea of what happened.
Please acknowledge that Fury apparently did reimburse what she believed to be the excess paid over market value, keeping 5k extra.
Still, the moral issue remains pretty much the same despite this knowledge.
Also, I don’t know Blu at all so no comment on her post.
Be careful with that debug mode.
The frustration with Landbot users from those who don’t use them (the vast majority, as there appear to be fewer than 10 landbot users) is that the landbots manage to get all the best deals – no one else even has a chance to find a nice bargain in an out of the way place, because of them. This strikes people as greedy. It makes people feel less bad about being greedy *at the landbot user’s expense* (rather than greedy in general). Now, it’s a completely different kind of greed (taking all the bargains, rather than keeping money from mistakes) and the fact that you never exhibit the latter form of greed certainly argues in your favor that you aren’t succumbed to this vice in a general way.
However, try to recognize how it looks from the view of many who just want to buy a single plot of land, are willing to spend weeks searching for just the right one at a good price – and if landbots didn’t exist, they’d have a chance. But due to the landbots being able to search at a rate not possible for humans, 24 hours a day, any bargain will be got by landbots, not by the people looking. So you’ve taken something from them that – wasn’t theirs by right – but that they value, and that without what they view as your greed, they would have. You’ve made the playing field no longer level.
As someone above mentioned, “you’re Walmart.” Think of how local businesses feel when Walmart comes in – they go out of business in a lot of cases. What Walmart does is legal, and in some views perfectly ethical as well. But many local businesses simply can’t compete. And if they did manage to get lucky and make a couple hundred thousand legally, by a mistake that they probably should return – say a Walmart computer was programmed to buy things at a given price and someone entered the zeroes wrong, and Walmart ordered and paid for 50 items at $5000 each instead of 5,000 items at $50 each; they just might not feel as obligated.
No, I don’t think Fury is a greedy person. She’s not super generous either, definitely not when she’s ticked off. As you said, she’s an ok person. She’s kind of vengeful, though. Anger is her key fault much more than greed. Which you should keep in mind – when she says she should have kept the money, that’s because she’s angry at you, not because she’s greedy. I love her dearly. I’m sure I could be friends with you as well. (especially since you’re a programmer like me) You don’t have great insight into relative strangers and their motivations, but that’s not a common gift anyway. I have learned it’s better to refrain from speculation (but I do it anyway).
Ok this website is starting to get far to peronal because Yohan is posting to much private infomation on the residents of secondlife I mean to post private im logs and to mention cash amounts. I feel for Fury because now her name is posted on the web I think this is really unfair because she has done nothing wrong to be blogged about. I do think that all this website is trying to do is promote your landbots Yohan and name as being a good land dealer but you are going to far now. I have nothing agaist you but you are starting to tarnish your reputations. You will probally post a comment to counter act this but it wont make a bit of diffrence to the facts.
“When your in a hole stop digging”
I was kissing your ass so that you did not full advantage of him. I did not say what type of error it was because of the comments you made about padding your bank account and how you and your friends hated land dealers. It was very clear that you were looking for ways to justify keeping the money. If you had any intention of refunding the full amount like you say above, you would have done so right away the moment he told you he had made a mistake because you knew it was wrong to take advantage of the errors of others. In the end I was very relieved that you gave back what you did because with the time you left him dangling and the things you said it really felt as if you were keeping it all or half.
Fury I am very grateful that you gave him back a lot of his error , but you can’t expect me to speak as if your a saint.
Yohan is as honest as they come I’ve seen him return many mistakes,Clearly is a shame more people can’t be like him,Fury your dead wrong keeping a penny of it shame on you!
@Sarah
In regards to the following comments:
“It was very clear that you were looking for ways to justify keeping the money.”
-That’s a big assumption. But that’s really all it is, and it seems it’s not the first wrong assumption you’ve made. You don’t know what went on on our end, and completely dismiss the concerns Fury had. I understand you want to support your friend, I really do, but maybe it’s time to face the facts and realize there was no wrongdoing on Fury’s part. Her concerns were valid, and Yohan wasn’t exactly forthcoming in what exactly his mistake was. Notice how his initial notecard and IM make no mention of a malfunctioning land bot? I wonder why that is.
There are too many key clicks required to ever “accidently” buy land. The land bot explains it, but she was never informed of this, so she was concerned about a possible scam.
“If you had any intention of refunding the full amount like you say above, you would have done so right away the moment he told you he had made a mistake”
-If she had been convinced it really was a mistake. Again, you conveniently ignore Fury’s concerns about a possible scammer. You can’t expect anyone to take a stranger’s word when this amount of money is concerned.
So yes, I do think a “thank you” would have been nice. And I do think the entire tone of this post and the subsequent responses are in very, very poor taste.
1. The only thing I feel embarrassed or guilty about after all this is not keeping the full 300k
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This says it all ,It was a mistake so take the money and run!!
yes Thank you for returning the 230k it was BIG of you and was most certainly appreciated but you should of returned it all.
He informed you it was a mistake so why was’nt it all returned??
..It was that thing called greed and greed has a funny way of haunting people in a form called Karma ,I think Yohan sleeps fine at night.
If you sleep fine at night Fury Your really not worth the disscusion we are having.
Have a great day! .. Now onto something more important like swatting flies
Well I’m not sure how he was in any position to scam her. And no I can’t comment on what concerns that she did have. In the end she did profit off of the error of anouther for whatever reason. Thats the only point I strongly disagree with.